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#1 DesertCamo

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Posted 27 April 2010 - 01:56 PM

I thought Pete would like this...

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Supreme Court to hear California game law case


By Tor Thorsen, GameSpot
Posted Apr 26, 2010 10:15 am PT


Nation's highest body to review Ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals' dismissal of law that would prohibit sale of games to minors.



Last February, the US Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a lower court's decision that California's law preventing the sale of violent video games to minors was unconstitutional. According to the appeals-court ruling, bill AB1179, signed into California law by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in 2005, violated the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of speech.

California's game bill is headed to the US Supreme Court.

In May, the California government appealed the court's decision on the law, which was penned by California State Senator Leland Yee (D-San Francisco), who was a child psychologist before entering public service. Today, the US Supreme Court--the country's highest legal body--agreed to hear the case, officially titled Arnold Schwarzenegger, Governor of California, v. Entertainment Merchants Association. The latter is a lobby for the US home entertainment industry and was formed by the merger of the Interactive Entertainment Merchants Association (IEMA) and the Video Software Dealers Association (VSDA) in 2006.

Though it is unclear exactly when the case will be heard, both sides of the debate wasted no time in sounding off on the court's decision. "I am very pleased that the Supreme Court has accepted our case to help protect children from the harmful effects of excessively violent, interactive video games," said Yee in a statement. "The Supreme Court has never heard a case dealing with violent video games. I am hopeful that the high court will determine our law to be Constitutional, but regardless, states are now certain to receive direction on how to proceed with this important issue."

Equally vocal was Michael Gallagher, president of the Entertainment Software Association, the lobby that represents most major game publishers. "Courts throughout the country have ruled consistently that content-based regulation of computer and video games is unconstitutional," he declared in a statement. "Research shows that the public agrees, video games should be provided the same protections as books, movies, and music."

Both Yee and Gallagher made reference to the court's ruling in the case of the US v. Stevens last week. In an 8 to 1 decision, the court threw out the three-year prison sentence of Robert Stevens, who had been convicted under a law banning videos of animal cruelty. (In this case, the offending material was dog-fighting videos.) The law had been enacted as a response to so-called "crush videos," in which small animals are stomped to death in sadomasochistic sexual rituals.

"As the Court recognized last week in the US v. Stevens case, the First Amendment protects all speech other than just a few 'historic and traditional categories' that are 'well defined and narrowly limited,'" said Gallagher. "We are hopeful that the Court will reject California's invitation to break from these settled principles by treating depictions of violence, especially those in creative works, as unprotected by the First Amendment."

Yee took a more legalistic tack when weighing in on the case. "Last week, the high court struck down a law, in United States v. Stevens, that would have banned the sale of media that depicts animal cruelty, however, the Court said that such a law may be constitutional if it were more narrowly tailored. California's violent video game [law] is narrowly tailored and focuses only on the sale of such ultraviolent video games to children, whereas the Stevens case banned the sale of animal cruelty films to all individuals. In addition, California's law is dealing with an interactive media versus a passive media in the animal cruelty case."
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:01 PM

I don't really mind if this were passed because I'm not a minor anymore, but the government shouldn't be attempting to regulate media content. IMO.
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:03 PM

What kind of sick crap is this:

"The law had been enacted as a response to so-called "crush videos," in which small animals are stomped to death in sadomasochistic sexual rituals."

Wow...who ever gets pleasure out of that is a disturbed individual in my opinion. I hope you all agree.
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:03 PM

Yeah this is bullshit censorship. Leave this in the parents hands not the governments.
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:05 PM

View Postamiaturtle, on 27 April 2010 - 02:03 PM, said:

What kind of sick crap is this:

"The law had been enacted as a response to so-called "crush videos," in which small animals are stomped to death in sadomasochistic sexual rituals."

Wow...who ever gets pleasure out of that is a disturbed individual in my opinion. I hope you all agree.


I do agree. I heard about these a few years ago. Human depravity knows no bounds and those videos are a perfect example.

People do some weird shit man.
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:06 PM

It's getting bad in here man...soon everyone will head for the hills here.
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:06 PM

I am not really offended by State government making such a law. Not to mention the fact that minors shouldn't be buying "ultraviolent" games without there parents supervision. I thought we already had a rating system for games, so I don't really see this as a big deal, as long as the federal government doesn't pass such a law. Plus it doesn't ban the games, just the sale of them to minors. Big woop.
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:07 PM

View PostEliXColdiron, on 27 April 2010 - 02:05 PM, said:

I do agree. I heard about these a few years ago. Human depravity knows no bounds and those videos are a perfect example.

People do some weird shit man.
Man...and to think I may be walking next to some of these people...wow...
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:09 PM

View PostPete, on 27 April 2010 - 02:06 PM, said:

I am not really offended by State government making such a law. Not to mention the fact that minors shouldn't be buying "ultraviolent" games without there parents supervision. I thought we already had a rating system for games, so I don't really see this as a big deal, as long as the federal government doesn't pass such a law. Plus it doesn't ban the games, just the sale of them to minors. Big woop.

most parents don't even pay attention to the ratings system. My parents bought me violent games when I was a kid.


Now that I'm not a minor, I could really care less if it made it so kids can't buy the games.


Not that I think there is any real connection between video game violence and violence in reality. I think they have the relationship backwards; people prone to violence are more likely to play violent video games.
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:09 PM

thats not the point Pete. There is already the ESRB which rates games and isnt federally mandated. 99% of stores abide by this and wont sell M rated games to minors, the only ones that might is "Mom and Pop" stores. Why should there be the ability to create a law about this but yet I could go buy a Kama Sutra book at barnes and noble if I am 5 years old. I don't believe in censorship and I think the more freedoms we give up as we justify them as not being a big deal add up and end being a big part of our livelihood.
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:10 PM

View Postamiaturtle, on 27 April 2010 - 02:07 PM, said:

Man...and to think I may be walking next to some of these people...wow...

I know exactly what you mean Turtle. We have no idea what the person next door is up to, and sometimes you probably don't want to know.
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:14 PM

View PostPete, on 27 April 2010 - 02:06 PM, said:

I am not really offended by State government making such a law. Not to mention the fact that minors shouldn't be buying "ultraviolent" games without there parents supervision. I thought we already had a rating system for games, so I don't really see this as a big deal, as long as the federal government doesn't pass such a law. Plus it doesn't ban the games, just the sale of them to minors. Big woop.
You have a point there...but think of my situation for example...I let my 17 year old play MW2 and such games...I think he is capable of handling them...if that law is used...they could go after me with fines, inprisonement and such...because I'm not following the law.

So who is to raise our kids the government...or their parents?

Kind of the same thing happened a few years ago...when the state said that parents could not home school their children...and were forced to send their children to a government aproved school...(this was aproved and then recalled by the way)

I think it's all government trying to come into the home...the more we give way...the more we'll be controlled.
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:17 PM

I agree completely with Turtle's post
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:17 PM

View PostDesertCamo, on 27 April 2010 - 02:09 PM, said:

thats not the point Pete. There is already the ESRB which rates games and isnt federally mandated. 99% of stores abide by this and wont sell M rated games to minors, the only ones that might is "Mom and Pop" stores. Why should there be the ability to create a law about this but yet I could go buy a Kama Sutra book at barnes and noble if I am 5 years old. I don't believe in censorship and I think the more freedoms we give up as we justify them as not being a big deal add up and end being a big part of our livelihood.
That's fine, what I am saying is that the structure of our country's government allows for states to pass these types of laws, if you don't like it vote you local legislatures out. What I am constantly concerned about is the federal government passing this laws, they have no authority for such a thing. The first amendment of the Federal Constitution was only intended to apply to the federal government not the states and not to private persons. Plus, constitutional law permits reasonable restrictions on the dissemination of speech, provided that they are narrowly tailored to achieve an important purpose. That is the question the supreme court will decided. Remember you can't yell fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire and claim the right of free speech. Personally, I don't care for this kind of law because I think these decision should be left to the parents, but I respect the structure of our government which permits states to make such regulations. Additionally, even is this law withstands constitutional scrutiny (which is probably won't) the decision still lies with the parents, they can buy the game for the kids.
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:20 PM

Turtle is missing one important point, the law only prohibits a vender from selling an ultraviolent game directly to a minor, Mom and Dad can buy it an let him use it. The government is not coming in your home. Again, thought, I don't like this law either, but its not as harmful as you may think, this is mostly done for showboating and garning votes, it doesn't appear that this law has any real teeth.
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:23 PM

people have odd conceptions about children. We like to think they are completely innocent and need to be protected, but they get in to more shit than we realize when we aren't looking. They should concentrate more on protecting children from the pedophile down the street than some video game.
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Posted 27 April 2010 - 02:47 PM

View PostEliXColdiron, on 27 April 2010 - 02:23 PM, said:

people have odd conceptions about children. We like to think they are completely innocent and need to be protected, but they get in to more shit than we realize when we aren't looking. They should concentrate more on protecting children from the pedophile down the street than some video game.
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Posted 28 June 2011 - 11:22 AM

Just moments ago, the Supreme Court in a 7 to 2 decision, has decided that, like music, books and movies, video games are First Amendment protected speech in the case Brown v. EMA. So many people took action signing the gamer petition and directly filing briefs with the Court.
The decision has been a long time coming, and we're so pleased by today's news. We're sure this isn't the end of the fight. One decision doesn't mean that we won't see elected officials attempted to test these new parameters. You better believe the ECA will continue to fight for the rights of the entertainment consumers and we hope you'll stand with us and add your voice.
But today, we can hold our heads up a little higher knowing that we won this fight. We'll be following up later in greater detail once we've read the complete decision.
Happy gaming,
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